Aborigines

The Authoritarian International Push Behind the Voice

We, the Indigenous owners and occupiers of Australia, call on the Australian Government and people to recognise our rights … in accordance with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights, the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, and the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination, rights to life, liberty, security of person, food, clothing, housing, medical care, education and employment opportunities, necessary social services and other basic rights. — Barunga Statement, presented to PM Bob Hawke, July 1988 [1]

On September 13, 2007, the United Nations’ General Assembly adopted its Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peo­ples. The assembly recorded 143 votes in favour of the declara­tion, eleven abstentions and four votes against. The four against were cast by Australia, New Zealand, Canada and the United States. The UN news release announcing the decision summa­rised the objections made by the Australian delegation:

Australia’s representative said his Government had long expressed its dissatisfaction with the references to self-determination in the text. Self-determination applied to situations of decolonisation and the break-up of States into smaller states with clearly defined population groups. It also applied where a particular group with a defined territory was disenfranchised and was denied political or civil rights. Australia supported and encouraged the full engagement of indigenous peoples in the democratic decision-making process, but did not support a concept that could be construed as encouraging action that would impair, even in part, the territorial and political integrity of a State with a system of democratic representative Government.

In other words, the Howard government, then in its last days before its defeat in the election of November 2007, recognised this UN dec­laration as justifying the creation of separate indige­nous states within Australia.

Howard was replaced as Prime Minister by the Labor Party’s Kevin Rudd, who took a different view. Although Australia was not a signatory to the declaration, the Rudd government offi­cially adopted it at a ceremony in Parliament House Canberra in April 2009.[2] Rudd thereby committed Australia to support the notion that Aborigines were a politically separate people, sover­eign in their own right, who were entitled to a state of their own, either within or outside the existing Commonwealth. The decla­ration itself makes it clear that this is, indeed, its logical conclu­sion.

Article 3: Indigenous peoples have the right of self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and they freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

The declaration, however, does contain one caveat to complete secession from existing states. This occurs in Article 4, where it says that self-government is related to “their internal and local affairs”:

Article 4: Indigenous peoples, in exercising their right to self-determination, have the right to autonomy or self-government in matters relating to their internal and local affairs, as well as ways and means for financing their autonomous functions.

In other words, the declaration supports self-government in black states within the Australian Commonwealth, rather than secession from the Commonwealth. Nonetheless, it obviously sets the Aboriginal political class a compelling goal to pursue in the next stage of its unfinished business.

This is not surprising since the declaration was largely written by Australian Aboriginal academics. For several years, the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Commission maintained at Australian expense a permanent office in Geneva where it lobbied members of the United Nations Human Rights Council and helped draw up the declaration. The Australian most involved was Mick Dodson, co-author with Ronald Wilson of the 1997 Bringing Them Home report on the Stolen Generations that accused Australia of genocide. Dodson subsequently served as a member of the UN’s Permanent Forum on Indigenous Issues in New York, a body which recorded his role as follows:

Mick has for over a decade participated in the crafting of the text of the Draft Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples in the United Nations Working Group on Indigenous Populations and in its more recent considerations by the Working Group of the United Nations Commission on Human Rights.

Another Australian who played a similar role was Megan Davis, Professor of Law at the University of New South Wales. She served as a fellow of the United Nations Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights in Geneva where, between 1999 and 2004, she too was one of the drafters of the Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples. In 2010 she was appointed to the UN Permanent Forum on Indigenous Issues as an “expert member”, and in 2015 she was made its permanent chair.

Since then, under Davis’s chairmanship, this forum has invited Aboriginal activists to its New York sessions to give evidence about how racist and reprobate Australia supposedly is. At one such session, Aboriginal academic and co-chair of the National Congress of Australia’s First Peoples, Jackie Huggins, used the opportunity to pile on accu­sations of breaches of the Declaration of the Rights of Indigenous Peoples and thereby help make the case for Aboriginal inde­pendence. Huggins told the forum Australia’s failings included:

…in terms of the obligations and duties of the Australian Government to meet human rights responsibilities and, in particular, to achieve the ends of the Declaration. The Australian government has implemented numerous programs and actions which do not meet international human rights standards … Despite many recommendations by the United Nations over the years calling upon States to review their constitutions and laws to ensure non-discrimination, equality and respect for the rights of Indigenous Peoples, the Australian Constitution remains unchanged and allows the parliament to make laws which discriminate against Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples.

Huggins told the forum the principal federal policy for over­coming Aboriginal social and health problems, especially its adoption of cashless welfare cards, undermined the dignity of people in remote communities with its “mandatory regimes that are in place to restrict expenditure on alcohol, gambling and tobacco”. Instead of the restriction of these habits amounting to beneficial social reform, as many Australians once thought they were, Huggins said the government was breaching UN principles. “In reality,” she said, it “advances poli­cies and actions that explicitly remove and deny indigenous control and decision making.”[3]

All of these claims, no matter how dubious, were made so they could be used against Australia in international courts and other forums. Australia is being treated as if it was a racist regime like South Africa before its internationally enforced reforms of 1994. The proponents of this fiction who, like those at Barunga, claim they are the legitimate “owners and occupiers of Australia”, are trying to bring about a similar outcome by making Australia an international pariah.

As well as supporting the campaign for independent black states, the UN declaration endorses other policies long demanded by radical Aboriginal activists. If Australia votes for constitutional approval of the Voice, these are the kinds of demands that will be put before Parliament and its bureaucracy. For a start it supports the estab­lishment of separate indigenous political structures:

Article 18: Indigenous peoples have the right to participate in decision-making matters which would affect their rights, through representatives chosen by themselves in accordance with their own procedures, as well as to maintain and develop their own indigenous decision-making institutions.

Article 19: States shall consult and cooperate in good faith with the indigenous peoples concerned through their own representative institutions in order to obtain their free, prior and informed consent before adopting and implementing legislative or administrative measures that may affect them.

The declaration also endorses customary law and wants indigenous tribunals to determine breaches and punishments, with the sole constraint that they remain consistent with con­cepts of international human rights. Apart from the fact that indigenous people remain entitled to all the host nation’s welfare and citizenship benefits, the latter’s legal system does not rate a mention.

Article 34: Indigenous peoples have the right to promote, develop and maintain their institutional structures and their distinctive customs, spirituality, traditions, procedures, practices and, in cases where they exist, juridical systems or customs, in accordance with international human rights standards.

The UN also supports the principle that indigenous people themselves should determine who qualifies as indigenous.

Article 33.1: Indigenous peoples have the right to determine their own identity or membership in accordance with their customs and traditions.

All this should be enshrined in treaties and agreements between the state and those who define themselves this way.

Article 37.1: Indigenous peoples have the right to the recognition, observance and enforcement of Treaties, Agreements and Other Constructive Arrangements concluded with States or their successors and to have States honour and respect such Treaties, Agreements and other Constructive Arrangements.

If the right case were to come before the High Court, its judges would be highly likely to argue that, given Australia’s com­mitments to international laws and covenants, they could not be accused of adventurism in granting Aborigines new rights, because their hands were already tied by the international legal community. Hence, one of the real aims of those who want to embed the Voice in our Constitution is that it would enable them to bypass the democratic procedures of our political system and go to the courts first. This is what they did in 1979 in the Coe v. Commonwealth case that went to the High Court, initi­ating the legal campaign for Aboriginal sovereignty.

It was fol­lowed by the Mabo case before the High Court for land rights, whose eventual outcome in 1992 reversed more than 150 years of previous court deliberations to find that native title or Aborigi­nal ownership of the land was part of the common law of Aus­tralia. It was only after the High Court’s Mabo judgment that the Labor government of Paul Keating put up the Native Title Act 1993 to enshrine the decision in an act of parliament.

The role of international law and UN covenants in the Mabo decision was made clear in the judgment of Justice Gerard Brennan, who quite explicitly sought to make Australia’s common law conform to international conventions. Brennan said:

The opening up of international remedies to individuals pursuant to Australia’s accession to the Option Protocol to the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights[4] brings to bear on the common law the powerful influence of the Covenant and the international standards it imports. The common law does not necessarily conform with international law, but international law is a legitimate and important influence on the development of the common law, especially when international law declares the existence of universal human rights.[5]

Now, the High Court’s discovery of native title was not a matter of universal human rights. From the perspective of the Australian nation and Australian law, it was about the enti­tlements of a particular ethnic minority group amounting to about three per cent of the Australian population. Thanks to the Native Title Tribunal, this small group of Australians has now been given land rights to more than half the continent of Australia. Nonetheless, this outcome seems to matter little to other members of the judiciary who continued to equate universal rights with minority interests. In 1994, Michael Kirby, then a judge on the New South Wales Court of Appeal, later appointed to the High Court, pre­dicted that Mabo was anything but a one-off case. Mabo, he said:

…has reinforced the legitimacy of international law and instruments as proper sources of influence in the development of the domestic common law of Australia. As the cases bear out, such use of international material need not be limited to circumstances in which ‘international law declares the existence of universal human rights’. The use will come to extend to other, perhaps more mundane, circumstances. In this respect, Mabo has dictated that the common law of Australia will in future be influenced by legal authority, policy, principle and applicable rules of international law.[6]

The problem with Kirby’s scenario is that it imposes an international outlook on national interests, and the two per­spectives do not necessarily fit. If the Aborigines are seen from the interna­tional point of view as “first peoples”, with the same set of rights as others around the world in the same category, then there is some consistency in arguing they all have similar rights by vir­tue of arriving “first”, or at least arriving before the Europeans. In this sense, it might appear intellectually elegant to argue that the rights of “first peoples” are universal.

But there is an obvious political issue that is not being confronted here. Such interna­tional rights are in direct conflict with the national inter­est, which sees that the rights of minority groups should not be ele­vated above those of other citizens. There is a real dispute here and the principal question that arises is: which is to prevail, Australian domestic law or international law?

To date, those on the side of international law have tried to calm any anxiety at the national level by claiming the two sys­tems are compatible. However, it is not hard to show that in the conflict between the two, the losses are all on the national side. 

International law is not decided by parliaments elected on the principle of one citizen, one vote. Today, much of it is the prod­uct of the United Nations’ Human Rights Council and other trans­national quasi-judicial and human rights organisations, as well as academic law professors, legal philosophers, interna­tional relations advisers and judges on international tribunals. Most have been appointed to their positions by like-minded offi­cials and thinkers; that is, it is a self-reproducing network. Cur­rently, the UN Human Rights Council is chaired by Argentina and its members include China, Pakistan, Cuba, Venezuela, Libya, Sudan, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates. These are the people who Justices Brennan and Kirby argue are fit to resolve human rights issues for Australia.

International law is now one of the leading growth areas in the legal profession.[7] Its practitioners are among the foremost intellectual theorists of an expanding international and transna­tional law that is not only promoting the growth of international human rights and other treaties, but is also responsible for overturning many long-held assumptions within national legal traditions. Through judges’ networking on foreign and interna­tional tribunals, coupled with the immediate availability of online transcripts of judgments and casebooks, a “global com­munity of courts” is emerging. According to the American legal and political historian John Fonte, this amounts to a de facto constitutional authority that sits above national constitutions and is enforced mostly by compliant national courts.[8] Hence the citi­zens of nation states increasingly find themselves governed by regulatory institutions unaccountable to them and which, in many cases, they did not even know existed.

In short, this movement is a reversal of our accepted political arrangements. It is taking power from democratically elected parliaments and vesting it in courts, non-government organisa­tions and transnational bodies. Voters are increasingly finding their representatives beholden to international treaties, interna­tional legal conventions, foreign precedents, transnational bureaucrats and lawyers. Government policy is being decided less by open debate in parliaments and the national media and more in the comparatively closed world of legal judgments, learned journals, international conferences and academic semi­nars. While national law is made by the people through their elected representatives, international law is made by an authoritarian elite through a dialogue they conduct only among them­selves.

This is the environment through which the current demand for the Voice has emerged. Australian voters, however, are being left in the legal dark.  They should approve the Voice, says current PM Albanese, simply because it would be “good manners”. This is a far more disturbing political issue than that. Voters are actually being asked to create new constitutional entitlements which, as the Australian objection in 2007 to the UN Declaration of Indigenous Rights rightly said, would impair the territorial and political integrity of our system of democratic representative government.

This is an edited version of an analysis originally published in Keith Windschuttle’s The Break-up of Australia (2016), Chapter Two.

 

[1]. Barunga Statement Presented to Prime Minister Bob Hawke in 1988, at http://www.australia.gov.au/about-australia/australian-story/bark-peti­tion-barunga-1988

[2]. ‘Australia Adopts UN Declaration’, ABC News, 3 April 2009, http://www.abc.net.au/news/2009-04-03/aust-adopts-un-indigenous-declaration/1640444

[3]. Speech by Jackie Huggins delivered to the United Nations Permanent Fo­rum on Indigenous Issues, New York, 9–20 May, 2016, published by NITV News, 20 May 2016, at http://www.sbs.com.au/nitv/nitv-news/ article/2016/05/20/jackie-huggins-un-government-has-not-met-its-international-human-rights-standards

[4]. See Communication 78/1980 in Selected Decisions of the Human Rights Committee under the Optional Protocol, vol. 2, p. 23

[5]. (1992) 175 Commonwealth Law Reports, 1, p 42

[6]. Michael Kirby, ‘In Defence of Mabo’, James Cook University Law Review, Vol 1, 1994, www.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/JCULawRw/1994/ 3.pdf

[7]. John Fonte, Sovereignty or Submission: Will Americans Rule Themselves or be Ruled by Others?, Encounter Books, New York, 2011, pp 106–8

[8]. Fonte, Sovereignty or Submission, pp 116–18. The phrase ‘global commu­nity of courts’ derives from Peter J. Spiro, ‘Disaggregating US Interests in International Law’, Law and Contemporary Problems, Autumn 2004, Vol. 67, pp 195–219

26 thoughts on “The Authoritarian International Push Behind the Voice

  • 27hugo27 says:

    What are they complaining about? We’ll all be on the cashless welfare cards in the very near future!

  • Searcher says:

    Keith Windschuttle has it right. We have our civil liberties, Constitution, and law from our own British heritage, prior to the attempted intrusions of foreign bodies such as the UN, the WEF, and other communist fronts that drive Albanese’s push for a “voice”. Race has no place in our law. The “voice” is racist.

  • NarelleG says:

    I read all these papers and books – indigenous rights etc.

    Where are the Human Rights for Australians?

    How do we stop this insidious cancer on our society?

    Why are we racist if we don’t celebrate everyone with some aboriginal ancestry?

  • a.c.ryan says:

    Does the fact that British heritage is now in a minority in Australia make you feel insecure? Are we like the American rednecks – needing guns and capital punishment to make us feel safe? Should we imprison those who hold different views to ourselves? I’d be keen to get some answers here – just a yes or no to each of these questions, please.

  • gilmay97 says:

    THE AUSTRALIAN PEOPLE’S STATEMENT

    We, the Australian people, the owners and occupiers of Australia, call on the Australian Government and people to recognise our rights — We are the 96.8% of the population, we want equal treatment and recognition by the government — Expenditure on aboriginals is $44,900 per person, other Australian only get $24,000 — Stop the Discrimination — Close The Gap — Equal Recognition for the 96.8% of the population.

    STOP the recognition of white people being aboriginal, working and getting aboriginal benefits, equal access for all people — In accordance with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights, the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, and the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination, rights to life, liberty, security of person, food, clothing, housing, medical care, education and employment opportunities, necessary social services and other basic rights.

  • STD says:

    The likes of Mick Dodson are hardly shining exemplars of what is and in the best interests of other peoples non discriminatory universal and national human right health outcomes.
    From Dodson down these people are all elite social academic and political FAT CATS.
    A big thank you to all concerned – $44900- the big bi partisan political Aboriginal bludge!
    The UN Declaration- the unfair declarations………………………..

  • john.singer says:

    In any legal analysis The Universal Declaration of Human Rights must be superior to the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous People and any Court ruling otherwise could not be a proper Court. To use the vernacular it would be a “Kangaroo Court”.

    So carry this concept of conflicting claims to its logical conclusion.

    You have worked hard all your life and have acquired a home and a reasonable standard of living for your spouse and family. You feel sorry for an old man or woman who is begging for food on a street corner. So you invite an old lady home for dinner. Having enjoyed the fruits of your dinner table and the warmth of your hospitality she suddenly announces that as she is older than any member of your family and therefore having been an inhabitant of the Earth before any of you she is entitled your house and any part of your possessions she cares to lodge claim to. Further she has a “Star Chamber” to which she can refer her claim and the outcome is pre-determined.

    This the proposition that the “Voice” wishes to impose on you, via a Ministry which was not sworn in to Allegiance to the recognised Sovereignty of the Australian State.

    As Keith Windschuttle points out in this article and his excellent book there were four votes against the Declaration. Australia, Canada, New Zealand and the United States of America. None of these Nations were ever a Colonial Powers and three have been formed by the desire of former Colonies to amalgamate into a single
    Democratic Nation.

  • john.singer says:

    In any legal analysis The Universal Declaration of Human Rights must be superior to the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous People and any Court ruling otherwise could not be a proper Court. To use the vernacular it would be a “Kangaroo Court”.

    So carry this concept of conflicting claims to its logical conclusion.

    You have worked hard all your life and have acquired a home and a reasonable standard of living for your spouse and family. You feel sorry for an old man or woman who is begging for food on a street corner. So you invite an old lady home for dinner. Having enjoyed the fruits of your dinner table and the warmth of your hospitality she suddenly announces that as she is older than any member of your family and therefore having been an inhabitant of the Earth before any of you she is entitled your house and any part of your possessions she cares to lodge claim to. Further she has a “Star Chamber” to which she can refer her claim and the outcome is pre-determined.

    This the proposition that the “Voice” wishes to impose on you, via a Ministry which was not sworn in to Allegiance to the recognised Sovereignty of the Australian State.

    As Keith Windschuttle points out in this article and his excellent book there were four votes against the Declaration. Australia, Canada, New Zealand and the United States of America. None of these Nations were ever a Colonial Powers and three have been formed by the desire of former Colonies to amalgamate into a single
    Democratic Nation.

  • pmprociv says:

    Let me get this right: racist, genocidal Australia paid Dodson, Davis and Huggins et al. to badmouth us for all those years in Geneva and New York? I hope they weren’t forced to live in a humpy while working under such harsh conditions, and were at least given a meal allowance. (Would it be appropriate to ask for the net worth of these noble, disadvantaged, suffering, professional victims?)
    Should we eventually have Albo’s promised referendum, and The Voice wins, it certainly won’t be the end of any complaining, but merely a signal for it to ramp up a few notches, clamouring for yet more. But, then again, a win for the No vote won’t stop the complaining, which will continue relentlessly, for that will simply prove what a bunch of racist bastards most Australians are.
    Seeing the ultimate push seems to be for autonomy and sovereignty, a practical solution might be to carve out several zones, like the erstwhile bantustans of South Africa, within that >50% of Australia that’s already been granted Native Title, then allow all Australians who identify as Indigenous to move and live there. With independence, of course, they should also be economically self-sufficient (although essential aid could be given in the establishing period, e.g. to build traditional parliament houses). And we’d have to think very hard about dual nationalities, for it would only complicate matters if individuals freely moved back-and-forth, taking advantage of generous welfare provisions available only on one side of the border; that would mean tight border controls, of course. Those choosing to stay in the remnant country should henceforth identify as Australian citizens, treated the same as anyone else, without claims for special privileges based on ancestry.
    While this could be enacted by Parliament, without any need to change the Constitution, there’s no worry that such a situation would ever arise: there could never be agreement about where the borders should run, or who should live behind them (or if anyone even wanted to!). And, internationally, we’d be accused of apartheid. But such a proposal might finally wake up those vociferous, self-serving advocates dreaming along such lines.

    P.S. I wonder how many members of the UN Human Rights Council have indigenous groups within their own borders? And is it possible to have indigenous minorities in Africa, the real home of the world’s longest living cultures, and original domicile of all our earliest ancestors?

  • cbattle1 says:

    Why don’t we ALL claim Aboriginal status?

  • lbloveday says:

    Why don’t we ALL claim Aboriginal status?
    .
    Honesty and pride, inter alia.

  • pmprociv says:

    to cbattle1: if we stay here long enough, and perhaps shut our borders to new immigrants, eventually every Australian will have indigenous ancestry. After all, it’s not your skin colour, or where you grew up, or even content of your character, that counts, but just that one ancestor, real or imagined or confected, that’s critical. if your family tree has gaps in it, maybe you could insert an indigenous ancestor. Who’s to notice, or complain?

    Further to my comment, above, any autonomous bantustans set up here will present easy pickings for adventurous external powers, given what’s happening in the Solomons right now, and maybe Tonga shortly. With the mercenary inclinations of some of the indigenous political class, this could rapidly escalate into a very messy situation for the “remainlanders”..

  • padraic says:

    I have just been re-reading Keith’s book – The Breakup of Australia – which covers most of the points we make in our comments, and it occurred to me that in support of the “No” case the book should be advertised for sale in all the major media outlets well prior to the referendum, so that the public can access some real information. Such advertising could be funded by “crowd funding” or a similar mechanism. I would be happy to kick in to whatever funding method used, if the concept proved acceptable and feasible.

  • Stephen Due says:

    There is a major problem here in identifying who precisely are Aboriginals. A large number of those who ‘identify’ as such are, like Bruce Pascoe, apparently lacking in Aboriginal ancestry.
    Unless Aboriginals can be positively identified all the arguments regarding their alleged ‘rights’ are moot. Therefore what we are talking about is a solution to a non-existent problem i.e. we are seeking to confer benefits on persons unknown.
    In this respect the public debate and government proceedings on Aboriginals resemble the pandemic response. A great deal of intellectual and political ingenuity has been devoted to the task of defining reality in order to promote the ‘vaccine’ solution. Reality, however, has steadily escaped the clutches of the ‘vaccine’ agenda, in spite of the impressive legal and political infrastructure erected in its support..
    The result of government programs that are disconnected from reality in this way is invariably dystopian. That is to say, they generate huge problems of injustice and suffering. They do not in the end solve anything. The familiar Aussie approach of ‘she’ll be right’ – which is to say, going along with anything that seems even remotely plausible, to avoid bad feeling – does not have a good track record.

  • NarelleG says:

    @cbattle1
    “Why don’t we ALL claim Aboriginal status?”

    You can check the boxes – but that means more money will go to urban and not remote areas.

    However – in claiming aboriginal ancestry (adjective – small ‘a’) you will deny your other ancestry and fly the protest flag.

    The whole idea is unproductive.
    This situation is not one of jest.

    @padraic

    “,,,,,in support of the “No” case the book should be advertised for sale in all the major media outlets…..the public can access some real information. Such advertising could be funded by “crowd funding” or a similar mechanism. ”

    Agreed – enough debating behind closed doors.
    Brilliant idea for the #NO_campaign.
    Count me in.

  • wdr says:

    A lot about the fate of any Referendum at the polls will depend on the attitude of Peter Dutton. Let’s hope he has the nerve the oppose it in a convincing way. It seems unlikely that Scott Morrison would have opposed it in a vocal and cogent manner.

  • Lys says:

    Sorry folks. Seems you can’t just claim you are indigenous.
    NOTE
    The UN also supports the principle that indigenous people themselves should determine who qualifies as indigenous.
    Article 33.1: Indigenous peoples have the right to determine their own identity or membership in accordance with their customs and traditions.

    Be interesting to see what happens to their ambitions when The Great Reset happens and the One World Government takes over the universe.

  • Farnswort says:

    Padraic, that is a great idea. I would certainly be happy to donate to such a campaign.

  • Farnswort says:

    wdr, I hope that Peter Dutton finds his voice very soon. The Liberals shouldn’t need to “wait for more detail” – they should oppose this divisive proposal on principle. Giving special and exclusive constitutional status and rights to a particular group on the basis of race should be anathema to any right-thinking Liberal.

  • Farnswort says:

    Lys: “Sorry folks. Seems you can’t just claim you are indigenous.”

    People of European descent aren’t even allowed to claim indigenous status in Europe under most official definitions.

  • lbloveday says:

    a.c.ryan asked “Are we like the American rednecks – needing guns and capital punishment to make us feel safe?”
    To answer that with “just a yes or no” would imply agreement with the premise. I don’t agree, and ask you the time-honoured question “Do you still beat your wife”?

  • Stephen says:

    In what way would the Voice not be in breach of the Racial Discrimination Act 1975. Any lawyers out there care to comment?

  • Elizabeth Beare says:

    Sky’s Outsiders recently canvassed for a new and more appropriate word for the expropriation of the Sovereignty enshrined in our Constitution than is suggested by the term The Voice.
    Someone on New Catallaxy has suggested instead something very appropriate: The Invoice.
    Vote for this and the payment of “reparations” that will never be deemed enough will begin.
    Billed monthly for your life and that of your children and grandchildren and so on.
    And still most aboriginal people will be in poor health and circumstances. No change there.

  • RobyH says:

    The efforts of Labor are a breach of Section 9 of the racial discrimination act. It requires action now. What lawyer will do that for free…. If someone will do it let me know at email editor@foundationaustralia.com

    Once the voice is in the constitution it will not contravene the RDA. Section 10 prevents acts of parliament that are racially discriminatory …. Such as a voice ….But if it is in the constitution it can exist until removed from the constitution and will never contravene the RDA. This is the reason the Aboriginal activist wants it in the forever constitution.

  • rosross says:

    Trying to reason with the irrational can never work. Those promoting the fantasy that there is a defined group called indigenous in Australia are beyond reason. That is the problem.

    We could simplify the issue by having all Australians tick the box, because, after all, we are all indigenous, or at least most of us are born here.

    Or we could play along with regulations and establish a criteria of a minimum of 50% ancestry for this, that or whichever tribe which could be easily identified by everyone, i.e. one parent is 100% Aboriginal. Moving the goalposts into the modern world would make such an identification much easier. If a tribal clan or group was not happy with that they would have to make a case as to why not do what most other nations do and demand at least half native ancestry?

    There were between 350-500 different groups here in 1788 and over more than two centuries that has morphed into thousands of variations on those original themes. The 50% option would slash the numbers from around 700,000 to probably less than 7,000 and dramatically simplify the situation. The real Aboriginals would no doubt be happy with this, the Aborigine Lites not happy with it, but at the end of the day, it would best meet the needs of all Australians.

  • rosross says:

    @ Elizabeth Beare,

    You said: And still most aboriginal people will be in poor health and circumstances.

    “That is an untruth so often repeated that people think it is true. The VAST MAJORITY of those who identify Aboriginal ancestry are in health and circumstance as good as, if not often better than the average Australian.

    There is a tiny minority of this group who do experience poor health and circumstance but that is self-inflicted. They live in communities which are the least assimilated into the modern world and which remain trapped in backward, destructive tribal systems.

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