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Come the Moment, Come the Man

Trump haters are most prevalent in the United States but they are everywhere, including in our midst. Troy Bramston was at again the other day in my morning Australian newspaper, the price of which has just risen by 17 percent. A case of getting less for more. “Biden in the White House would be good for us,” is its title. Aptly pedestrian for both the article and the writer.

Of course, Biden in the White House would be a disaster for Western civilisation and the Free World but, never mind, apparently, he “aligns better with the Morrison government’s international priorities.” What follows from Bramston is tendentious tripe and not fit to print. Like his Washington correspondent colleague, Cameron Stewart, his anti-Trump bias is regularly on tiresome show. But, let’s face it, Trump haters are a dime a dozen throughout the Australia media. More disconcerting is the way the hateful hacks have poisoned the opinions of ordinary people.

Best to regularly make a little list of the Donald’s dreadful deeds during what Bramston calls “Trump’s disastrous presidency.”

# He’s led the US into no new wars

# He’s routed ISIS (remember them?)

# He’s rebuilt the US military (you know, the military we depend upon)

# He’s stood up against China’s rapacious trade policies

# He’s forced NATO countries to front up more for their own defence

# He’s relocated the US embassy in Israel to Jerusalem (long promised, never delivered until Trump) and recognised the Golan heights as being part of Israel (a must-have for Israel’s defence)

# He’s brokered peace deals between Israel and the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain (Nobel Peace Prize 2021?)

# He’s curbed illegal immigration, including with a wall (OK, the Mexicans didn’t pay for it)

# He’s replaced NAFTA with an improved trade deal with Mexico and Canada

# He reduced regulations and taxes, producing US energy independence and, before COVID hit, the lowest Black and Hispanic unemployment on record; combined with an upsurge in real wage growth

# He’s brought back manufacturing jobs when Obama and those in the know said it couldn’t be done

# He’s promoted and signed the First Step Act to lessen the over-incarceration of black offenders

# He’s established business opportunity zones in the inner cities to help minorities escape despair

# He’s supported school choice and charter schools for disadvantaged children

# He’s promoted and signed a bill to provide permanent funding for traditionally black colleges.

# He’s appointed objective federal judges and Supreme Court justices to defend the constitution, as distinct from politically motivated activists.

This list is by no means exhaustive. Though, as you can appreciate from the above truncated list of his achievements, he has much to answer for. And I haven’t even mentioned COVID. Trump sure messed that up.

True, he moved quickly to shut down travel from China and Europe, orchestrated a lockdown advised by the sainted duo Fauci and Birx, made sure medical equipment and hospital beds were available to meet the expected surge in cases but, critically, he didn’t look glum enough. Glumness might have saved lives. Churchill was the same. That inane victory sign persuaded people to stray too far from bomb shelters, costing lives.

Let me concede what others might have suspected. I can’t stand those on this new woke left. Before COVID came to further diminish their good sense, I could just about stand them. At least, I could, for a few minutes at a time. But Dan-worshipping, the finger-pointing at those who refuse to cower in the face of the least-deadliest plague ever to afflict mankind; at those who don’t don their masks or keep their distance, is well beyond insufferable. Does anyone take these censorious scolds seriously?

Well, yes, as it happens. The likeminded. And they are a legion and growing. Incubated in universities, a neo-Marxist lifeform, more deadly than any virus, has metastasised throughout schools, the media, public services, the political class and corporate boardrooms.

We are not dealing any longer with mere differences of opinion. That’s long gone. That’s why there can be no amity. No grand bargain. No working across the aisles. This, quite literally, is a fight for survival.

Churchill put fighting for survival in perspective.

If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.

I fear we now occupy the ‘worse case’. But let’s still keep hope alive. Four more years of Donald Trump might give us at least a ‘precarious chance’ of survival. It’s a long shot.

42 comments
  • Elizabeth Beare

    There will be chaos, confusion and certain economic decline if President Trump does not win. In a ‘Biden’ Presidency (the Good Lord help us) Centre-left Democrats may try to regain control to curtail this somewhat, but I don’t fancy their chances. Socialism is to be given one more try at being ‘real’ socialism . Rampant green madness will link in with the green-crazy EU politicians and bureaucrats, the EU itself fraying over this issue, and China and Russia will make hay.

    Only Trump can turn this ship around.

  • Ian MacDougall

    Elizabeth:
    “Only Trump can turn this ship around.”
    And sail it backwards into the sunset. With Captain Bonespurs at the helm anything is possible.
    “How do we classify the stupidity of blabbing the greatest secret of them all: that he knew all along how Covid-19 was deadly and easily transmissible? We now know that in late January, his national security adviser told him the coronavirus was the ‘biggest national security threat’ of his presidency. A week later, he told Woodward that the disease was ‘more deadly even than your strenuous flus’.
    Did he bother to share this with the American people so they could protect their own lives? Not quite. For the rest of February and March, he told the world it would disappear like a miracle, that it was no worse than the flu. ‘I wanted to always play it down,’ he told Woodward. ‘I still like playing it down, because I don’t want to create a panic.’
    You couldn’t make this stuff up.
    Over 200,000 dead Americans later, the world realises that if Trump had gone out with a sniper rifle and shot dead a mere 1% of 1% of that 210,000 he would certainly right now be banged up for life, if not waiting his turn to sit in the e-chair. But no. He’s in the clear. As POTUS he merely thumbed his nose at medical advice, and encouraged all to do likewise.
    The rest, as they say, is history.
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    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/10/donald-trump-bob-woodward-interviews#comment-143650639 .

  • RB

    So in your world Ian Macdougall the world will be better served with a bloke who has a penchant for fibbing about details such as selling his office availability to his sons dodgy business associates, cannot recall what state he is in, has an offsider who extended peoples time in gaol for financial gain, left a man on death row by withholding evidence that would have freed him until forced to offer it to the court, laughs about the 1500 people she put into gaol for marijuana use then laughs about her own use and the fact she did inhale.

    You have a funny idea of what constitutes the right sort of person who should be inhabiting the whitehouse. Especially when one considers the alternatives.

  • Trevor Bailey

    ‘Precarious chance”, Peter Smith? Lord Salisbury, PM, once observed: “Delay is life”. As a Cecil, his family had embodied this wisdom for some time. When Donald Trump was elected I remember saying to friends, “I’ve no idea where this is all going, but so far it’s upset a lot of people I don’t like.” Well, it turned out far better than I could have imagined, and for the reasons you list. So here’s to delay, the handmaiden of chance.

  • Ian MacDougall

    RB (or whatever your real name is): Trump IMHO is an overgrown toddler, and numerous psychiatrists have publicly diagnosed him as suffering from narcissitic personality disorder. This is serious enough in Joe Blow down the street, but would qualify Trump IMHO as the last person in the world to be allowed to get his finger anywhere near a nuclear button.
    Having first convinced his devoted followers that wearing masks was for wimps and having adopted a public stance that the disease that has killed over 210,000 Americans so far was no more serious than a common cold, he contracted it himself, then persisted in going maskless to the point where the White House became a Covid hotspot, with God only knows what longer-term consequences.
    Covid-19 has established itself as a lethal disease, and quite likely has a lot further to run before being brought under control, if ever.
    Politics has ever been a game of chucking excreta, bovine and otherwise, but “… cannot recall what state he is in, has an offsider who extended peoples time in gaol for financial gain, left a man on death row by withholding evidence that would have freed him until forced to offer it to the court, laughs about the 1500 people she put into gaol for marijuana use then laughs about her own use and the fact she did inhale….” adds a new dimension of garbled gender assignment I must confess I have not encountered before.
    Which makes me wonder, RB or whatever your real name is, what you might have been drinking prior to launching into your rant.
    Re American politics, a Paul Newman character (‘Hud’) once said “If you separate the saints from the sinners, you’ll be lucky if you’re left with Abe Lincoln.”
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    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-narcissistic-personality-disorder-mary-trump-john-zinner-bandy-x-lee-a9665856.html

  • T B LYNCH

    MINOR OPERATIONS: I performed many thousands without mask or gloves – a simple no touch technique sufficed – no complications.
    MAJOR SURGERY/OBSTETRICS: always wore a mask and gloves in hundreds of cases – and the usual number of surgical patients got post operative infections.
    POST MORTEMS: never wore a mask in thousands of cases and dealt with whatever came – influenza, tuberculosis, adenovirus, Q fever, syphilis, AIDS, hepatitis, melioidosis, pneumonia, leprosy, fungi, murder, suicide – never caught anything.
    CONCLUSION: masks don’t protect the wearer. That’s a job for one’s white cells.
    Meanwhile doctors in the sheltered workshop [government] flip-flop on masks.

  • Ian MacDougall

    TBL:
    “MAJOR SURGERY/OBSTETRICS: always wore a mask and gloves in hundreds of cases – and the usual number of surgical patients got post operative infections….
    CONCLUSION: masks don’t protect the wearer. That’s a job for one’s white cells.
    Meanwhile doctors in the sheltered workshop [government] flip-flop on masks.”
    And meanwhile again:.
    “The high level of covert spread may help explain why the novel coronavirus set off a pandemic in a way that the SARS and MERS viruses did not.” – NYT
    So did you run a controlled experiment, involving yourself and a suitable number of other practitioners? Say, 1. masks and gloves for a month in the infectious diseases ward , 2. a month off in the open countryside, then 3. back into the infectious diseases ward with no mask or gloves?
    Trouble is, people can be infected and spreading Covid-19 without being aware that they have it: like, er, say, er, Donald Trump. And I suspect that doing 3. (above) might have got you a request to show cause why you should not be asked to find other employment.
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    “As many as 25 percent of people infected with the new coronavirus may not show symptoms, the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention warns — a startlingly high number that complicates efforts to predict the pandemic’s course and strategies to mitigate its spread.
    “In particular, the high level of symptom-free cases is leading the C.D.C. to consider broadening its guidelines on who should wear masks.
    “’This helps explain how rapidly this virus continues to spread across the country’ the director, Dr. Robert Redfield, told a National Public Radio affiliate in Atlanta in an interview broadcast on Monday.”
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    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/31/health/coronavirus-asymptomatic-transmission.html

  • Peter Smith

    The conversation devolved to Covid. No one, Trump, Johnson, Morrison, Macron, Conte, et al knew how best to handle the pandemic. Trump took early decisive action but it is true that his demeanour was to play it down at the start; ditto Johnson. How much should you scare people? The Nazis are at the door but “keep calm and carry on.”
    But, leaving the beginning aside, we knew much more after a couple of months (as early as March) and the formula of protecting the vulnerable, isolating the sick, being sensible in interacting with people as one would with a common cold, and leaving the healthy to get on with life was pushed by numbers of scientists and commentators, and was broadly the view adopted by Trump and, of course, by a number of other world leaders (e.g. of Sweden and Brazil). I think now the weight of opinion has shifted decisively against lockdowns – the Great Barrington Declaration and the WHO. It is fair to say then that Trump was and is right. As to masks, again the CDC has just completed some research which seems to establish their limitations. I refuse to wear them, so maybe I’m biased.

  • pgang

    Peter, Trump has this election nailed down. The left know it is lost (apart from their gullible sycophants). Their efforts have become quite pathetic and lacking any real zest, despicable as they are. Looking at the NYT you would hardly know there was an election coming. Perhaps a reckoning is coming to the twits-eratti.

  • RB

    Ian MacDougall (if that is your real name).
    And you call my little post a rant? Pot and kettle buddy pot and kettle.
    I didn’t ask for your opinion, I asked how you could ignore the known facts.
    How you could read the list of achievements in the article, run a comparison to the terrible results of the Obama- Biden rule and then resort to CNN speak and not find your head exploding is a marvel to behold. With a wave of your hand, you ignore Biden’s crooked behaviour and his running mates authoritarian history and focus on the media’s favourite dead horse to flog. And boy are you giving it a caning, those arms must be getting tired.
    I believe Peter Smith has quoted the numbers on numerous posts that would clearly indicate that the word lethal only applies in certain circumstances, so you are gilding the Lilly just like various state politicians. I understand their purpose, yours escapes me.
    All politicians are garbage in one way or another because they are human, not even sainted ones like yourself are above having fault, the trick is picking the least damaging one.
    For all of Trumps faults, the list above is impressive and unmatched by any US leader in my memory, not that I have a dog in the fight, I cannot vote in a US election but I would like to see him smack Bidens backside for many reasons but mainly he upsets the right sort of people.

  • Peter Marriott

    Good one Peter and I agree. President Trump is definitely needed to continue his overhaul of the corrupt political corners, nooks, and crannies in the US Washington establishment, and continue his campaign of removing two regulations for every one he has to apply, and to give real strong leadership to all of us who identify with a strong, free liberal democratic world, and this definitely includes support for the one free, liberal democratic country in the middle east….Israel, and need I say the principle of a capitalist, free-enterprise system. He also has an attribute that I very much admire, he doesn’t need the US Government system to enrich himself, like some of those before him ; he has his own money and in fact I read he didn’t even want a salary when he entered the white house, and was told by the charming establishment this was illegal and he had to have one, so he told them it will be one dollar per year….I like that. Yes, no doubt about it in my mind, ‘çometh the moment cometh the man’ and he’s the man who’d get my vote, big time, if I had a vote in the US.

  • Ian MacDougall

    RB: Your follow-up rant is also noted.

  • deric davidson

    If you can’t dispute the facts put in a forthright manner just call it a “rant”. It’s that easy.

    The left use abuse as a means of shutting people up. They use terms like “racist’ if you disagree with the views of a non- Caucasian person, “homophobe” if you disagree with a person proselytizing same-sex marriage (so-called), “Islamophobe” if you cite the Koran as a source of Islamic terrorist motivation,”white supremacist” if you think (know) that Black Lives Matter is a Marxist hate group. And on and on.
    Btw Biden, Pelosi and other idiotic Dems abused Trump for shutting off traffic from China late in January when a Chinese cover-up of the the virus became apparent and further abuse when he shut down in coming traffic from Europe in early February. Btw Cuomo was responsible for God knows how many deaths in NY. These are facts contained within my rant!

  • Ian MacDougall

    dd:
    According to the New York Times, which you possibly “think (know)” of as a Marxist rag, “Conservative attempts to tie Black Lives Matter to communist groups are years old, and have included digging up a statement from one of the movement’s early leaders claiming that several of them were ‘trained Marxists.’ But there is no indication that today’s Black Lives Matter movement has any formal link to Marxism, or to the Chinese Communist Party. As PolitiFact put it this year: ‘Black Lives Matter has grown into a national anti-racism movement broadly supported by Americans, few of whom would identify themselves as Marxist.'”
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    I would be surprised if the local BLM offshoot organisation here in Australia has had much Marxism to it either, but I may of course be wrong there. If you can cite facts rather than just lob in the odd unsupported assertion, I will be happy to change my mind. But both the US and Australian organisations would be playing into their opponents’ hands if they allowed Marxists to get into leadership positions.
    There is a bit of a philosophical difference between ‘thinking’ and ‘knowing’, and your use of the expression “…if you think (know) that Black Lives Matter is a Marxist hate group….” suggests to me that you choose not to make much of a distinction there, and believe what you want to believe.
    The original Ranters of England were a fundamentalist religious group, who did not make much of a distinction between believing and knowing either. One was as good as the other to them. And I find it mildly amusing that the name of this journal is Quadrant.
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    But I agree with you on ‘Islamophobia’, which is a term confected with the deliberate intent of blurring the distinction between Islam (the religion) and Muslims (believers mostly born into it) so as to make criticism of the religion equal to an attack on the believers. I personally believe Islam to be a terrible religion (my wife lived in Pakistan for a year, and she concurs) but I get on very well with those Muslims I have business dealings with. I suggest also that next time someone tries to shut you up by calling you a ‘racist’, you ask them politely to define the term. He or she probably will not be able to.
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    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/18/technology/no-a-black-lives-matter-co-founder-didnt-partner-with-a-pro-communist-chinese-group.html ($$)

  • ianl

    Engaging with the trollster simply encourages him to carpet-bomb the thread while adding nothing of consequence.

    The “Barrington Declaration”, apart from some commonsense, also contains a sentence to the effect that retired elderly ( … now there’s a phrase) should be “protected” by being isolated at home indefinitely with groceries dumped outside their doorsteps – to alleviate the need to shop for themselves, of course – and denied family visitations. Exactly which I had persistently pointed out for almost 6 months. A true George Orwell concept from the Nanny State: “protection” through indefinite isolated incarceration.

  • Ian MacDougall

    ianl (or whatever your real name is):
    Nothing of consequence to add here, save that whenever I go outside I always wear my heavy boots and clothing in case I tread on the likes of you coiled up in the grass.
    PS: Next time you go into a computer shop, ask the friendly staff to show you how to use the ‘scroll down’ key.

  • T B LYNCH

    2017 H3N2 influenza was my only admission to hospital with an infectious disease. Oxygen pressure half normal [54mm Hg]: treatment oxygen, tamiflu and home next day with a small bottle of cortisone pills – similar to President Trump.
    2017 H3N2 caused 3% of deaths that year – at all ages [normally flu causes 1%].

    2020 WUFLU has been a factor [NOT sole cause] in 3% of deaths. WUFLU has been a sole cause in 1/10,000 of cases and here we are finding subtle fatal genetic defects in the younger victims immune systems [Darwinian survival of the fittest]. There has been panic except in Taiwan and Sweden.

    Childhood in the pre-antibiotic era saw me survive pneumonia and diphtheria at home [in later life I diagnosed diphtheria 5 times with proper confirmatory tests in guinea pigs a la Pasteur].

  • Peter Smith

    Just for the record, PVO in this morning’s Australian newspaper brought TDS to a high point. Cameron Stewart was at it again too. When it comes to Trump, both are miserable excuses for truthful and objective political commentators. Read them, if you can stand it, and see. As one example among many, PVO perpetuates the calumny that Trump mocks people with disabilities. He knows it isn’t true, yet he gives it currency. What kind of a person does that?

  • Peter OBrien

    Peter, lately I have avoided reading PvO but since I noticed that both he and Bramston had similar columns, I did venture into that cesspool. Steve Kates has a good take-down of both at Catallaxy, https://catallaxyfiles.com/2020/10/17/proving-by-the-absence-of-a-contrary-argument-why-donald-trump-should-be-re-elected/

  • Ian MacDougall

    Peter Smith: What kind of person indeed.
    Mind you, Trump knows all the right buttons to press and things to say to get the gullibly-inclined to support him. But when he starts losing journalists from the Murdochracy, I’d say he’s got problems.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/08/02/donald-trumps-revisionist-history-of-mocking-a-disabled-reporter/

  • Peter Smith

    I think Ian MacDonald that we will never get any meeting of minds – leaving aside those on the outer reaches – unless we look at policies and results. Even poor old Joe conceded, at his frendly town hall meeting, that the Israel peace deals – he couldn’t remember with whom – were a good thing. Bringing black and Hispanic unemployment down to the lowest levels on record surely also has to be a good thing; and so on, until you too might become a grudging Trump supporter. Who knows?

  • Ian MacDougall

    Becoming a reality TV star is not a bad career move for someone like Trump, who arguably suffers from; no that’s the wrong word – causes others to suffer from (that’s better) his apparent narcissistic personality disorder. Becoming a reality TV star gets the narcissist aspirant known, and thus opens a path into politics.
    So if I ever became a grudging Trump supporter, I would do so in the most grudgingest fashion the world has ever seen, and only after consultation with numerous authorities on Trump, like er, say, er Stormy Daniels, provided she did not have too much else on her, er, plate.
    APART from his withdrawal of the US from the Paris Accord on climate, which as the science is probably right will likely have pretty big consequences for the whole planet (Precautionary Principle) Trump has refused to confirm that, in the likely event of him losing, he will accept defeat. (Could only be mail-fraud or some such.)
    Thus and instead, he has been dog-whistling every loony-right Second Amendment militia group from near and far, and setting the stage for possible internal violence that America has not known since the Civil War of 1861-65.
    Such could have unforeseen and unforeseeable consequences. I think even Stormy Daniels would agree.
    If I had her contact details, I would seek her opinion. For sure.

  • Ian MacDougall

    At the risk of getting up the nose of ianl (whatever his real name is………….
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ue5F57dZMU:

  • rod.stuart

    If the Covid farce has revealed anything, it is the capacity of people to turn on common sense and follow the herd.
    Common sense would indicate that if in fact thousands of people had died of this disease, there would be far more deaths than normal from all causes. In the UK no one has died of old age this year!
    Yet in country after country, there are FEWER deaths than in prvious years. The world was aghast in February when the claim was 134,000 dead the virus in Italy. This sounds tragic until one is aware that in Italy 134,000 died of the seasonal flu in 2015 and again in 2017. Nobody died of the seasonal flu this year.
    Even in the comments above, it is claimed that 210,000 Americans died of the disease, when even the corrupt authorities that compile this tally admit that the figure was actually less than 9,000.
    But I siuppose if someone actually thinks that the “Ozone Hole” is our doing, or that the Paris Excrement is something other than a UN scam, they would glom on to that 210,000 figure.
    A lie is half way round the world before the truth gets his boots on, someone said.
    In the meantime, Trump’s extraordinary judgement was correct all along. Had the same rational approach to defeating a virus that has been used since time iommemorial (i.e. Sweden) it would have disappeared in a few months.
    For anyone interested in some factual information about the covid scam, here is a fact filled talk from the Mises Institute.
    https://youtu.be/Xy3tP-BW5do

  • Simon

    I don’t think another Trump term is sufficient. If he doesn’t change the constitution to make himself president for life (joking!!), then we need Ivanka to follow in 2024 for eight years, and Barron Trump to follow her for another eight years.

    That will take us to 2040, and hopefully by then the Dumbocrats will have got some idea why they keep losing elections.

    I’m figuring the penny does have to drop one day!!

  • rod.stuart

    The ‘climate change’ scam was the most mendacious scam foisted upon the human race until this year. The covid scam of course makes the global warming farce look like a joke. This is an interesting look at the deep state’s ability to manufacture a crisis from nothing and con the entire world. The aim of every thing from “Silent Spring” through DDT, acid rain, the Ozone hole etc. it is the culmination of a total control technique through fear of the unknown.
    Like the Tasmania drama “The Ship that Never Was”, this crtisis is about a virus that never was.
    https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/10/14/the-virus-that-isnt-there-has-a-hypnotic-effect/

  • Ian MacDougall

    I see that the Ostrich School of Climatology has broadened out into the Ostrich University of Everything. Well had to come, I suppose.
    We now not only have the Ostrich Department of Epidemiology within the university, but also the Ostrich Department of Environmental Science, The Ostrich Department of Chemistry, and I think we can look forward to the Ostrich Department of the Unknown, which will be an interesting one for the philosophers to ponder: you know, known knowns, known unknowns, unknown unknowns and the really big one: unknown knowns.
    Where will it all end?

  • lbloveday

    In 2032 Barron Trump will be 26; the US Constitution requires that a presidential candidate be a natural born citizen of the United States, a resident for 14 years, and 35 years of age or older. He’ll have to wait until 2044.

  • Ian MacDougall

    Trump tweet: “Since Steve Scully claims he was hacked, will he allow Twitter to show all logins to his account?
    “If he was hacked that could be a serious attempt of a foreign election intervention. If he won’t, did he an the commission lie to the American people?”
    One possible response: “Let’s all see those tax returns you are so coy about revealing.” To not pay what you properly owe is called theft. As the sign directed at neighborhood kids says in one local shop: “REWARD for anyone caught stealing in this shop. FREE ride in a police car.”
    Might be handy to have a couple of cops on hand when the election result is declared to escort the Tweeter-in-Chief to his new residence. (Clue: it would not be gold-plated.)

  • Davidovich

    I commend Quadrant for its policy of allowing any subscriber to put their points of view on-line. However, it is really a waste of space to have comments ad nauseam from this person called Ian MacDougall and it is pointless to even waste time responding to his comments.

  • lbloveday

    Davidovich,
    .
    It’s like, eg, the Australian; I no longer read POV inter alia, but may look at the comments to confirm he’s written rubbish, but not comments by an apparently idiotic “Russ” also inter alia,- pretty easy to see Ian MacDougall (or lbloveday….) at the top of a post and go to the next without reading.

  • Doubting Thomas

    Ian MacD, why do you believe that Trump or anyone else, Presidential candidate or otherwise should be required to release their tax returns? How do you believe that anyone, yourself or the most politically conflicted media are more qualified to assess Trump’s tax liability (and to pursue any debts) than the American Internal Revenue service, already shamefully corrupted against conservatives by the Obama administration?
    In my opinion, this is a ridiculous piece of media mischief-making, and while it doesn’t surprise me that you agree with them, it does surprise me that you do not understand that nobody is required to comply with the media’s demands. If there were a requirement for candidates for political office to release their returns, there would be a LAW to that effect.
    Now, there being no such law, it follows that Trump was perfectly entitled to ignore the media’s and his political enemies’ demands, and you crassly defame him by inferring that he has not paid assessed taxes.
    Is there any limit to your perversity?

  • Ian MacDougall

    DT:
    Regarding his tax payments, Trump behaves as if he has something to hide. Biden I understand has released his, the GOP is going over them in detail, looking for political ammunition.
    According to good old Wikipedia: “During the 2016 United States presidential campaign, Donald Trump refused to release his tax return information, breaking a 40-year precedent of candidates for the presidency doing so. The controversy surrounding Trump’s tax returns continued through his presidency, with numerous political and legal conflicts occurring between Trump and those attempting to obtain them. In September 2020, The New York Times obtained, and reported upon, more than two decades of data from Trump’s personal and business tax returns. The records showed that Trump paid no income taxes at 10 of the preceding 15 years, largely because he reported far more losses than gains; that Trump is engaged in long-running, and ongoing, audit battle with the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) over the legitimacy of a $72.9 million tax refund claimed by Trump after declaring massive losses; and that Trump personally guaranteed $421 million in debt, much of which is coming due in the next several years.
    “Prior to and during his 2016 presidential campaign, Trump repeatedly promised to release his tax returns, but then reneged on his pledge to do so. Trump became the first major-party presidential nominee and president since 1976 to refuse to release his tax returns to the public. Trump has repeatedly and falsely claimed that he cannot make his returns public while they are under audit. Trump has engaged in a lengthy legal battle to conceal his tax returns. In May 2019, the U.S. House of Representatives Ways and Means Committee subpoenaed the IRS for six years of Trump’s returns, with which the Trump administration refused to comply, leading to a lawsuit to enforce the subpoena.”
    .
    These days, if you are wealthy enough to be lawyered up enough, paying tax becomes an optional activity. (My emphasis: -IM.)
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_returns_of_Donald_Trump (Refs in original omitted)

  • Doubting Thomas

    So what, Ian? Trump’s refusal to release his tax returns ought not to have attracted a single comment from the media or the people.

    Once again you rush to Wikipedia, the LCD of sources, to support your absurd argument that Trump must have something to hide because he refused to release his returns. Trump is well within his legal rights to refuse to do so, and you do not say whether the House won its case to enforce its subpoenas. Sight unseen, I’d be very surprised if the subpoenas were enforceable, because there is no obvious legal requirement to do so, notwithstanding dubious voluntary precedent.

    Trump is one of the very rare non-professional politicians to be elected to the Presidency, and he has complicated business affairs that leftists just love to assume must be corrupt. But they are happy to ignore the real corruption of their own professional politicians who enter politics to enrich themselves and reap like the bandits many if not most seem to be in the US. The list of such rogues is very long indeed, even limiting it to the period of our lifetime. Trump is an ethical giant compared to most of them.
    So, just exactly how do you propose to fix the problem of wealthy people paying not enough tax to satisfy your idea of how much they ought to pay? Assuming you can muster enough of the ignorant Emma Albericis of this world to support you, and to agree on a definition of “enough”, how would you extract these sums from your targets? How would you then replace the entrepreneurs and industries that flee Australia to escape your scorched earth policies?
    Theoretically, at least, the answer is almost self-evident. Enact sensible and just tax laws. Good luck.
    In the meantime, you show me yours and I’ll show you mine. Hmmm? Thought not.

  • Ian MacDougall

    DT:
    “So what, Ian? Trump’s refusal to release his tax returns ought not to have attracted a single comment from the media or the people.
    Once again you rush to Wikipedia, the LCD of sources,….”
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    It’s politics, mate; not the law. Politicians like to play games wedging one another, and in this situation, it is not a good look for your favourite poster boy, or should that be favourite grabber? Now, having not got in early, Captain Bonespurs is in a jam because to release the information now, even if he wanted to, would be a sign of weakness and/or defeat. ‘Ought’ only comes into it in the sense of ‘ought to have covered his backside.’ It’s a bit late for Bonespurs now, in the politics of it.
    But the very worst thing Trump has done has been his refusal to call off the Second Amendment militias all armed to the teeth and itching to participate in a bit of mayhem in the streets and general bloodshed. The first duty of any US President is the one Trump has sworn to do: to uphold the Constitution, which guarantees every American the right of free speech and the right of assembly inter alia.. But this Trump is blatantly failing to do, to the concern of genuine conservatives in the police and the military whose responsibility it will be to hose down any situation arising: ie from that refusal by Trump up to this point in time: to declare he will accept an outcome adverse to himself in the forthcoming election, if that is the decision of the voters in the voting system as is. That puts America on the brink of a re-run of Germany 1932. It’s that bad.
    .
    “Assuming you can muster enough of the ignorant Emma Albericis of this world to support you…” Well, obviously Alberici has got up your nose over something. No further comment. And Wikipedia always gets a boo from those who don’t like having to deal in specifics. Please show me where specifically in that specific WP article it has got its facts wrong. If you can. (I’m always happy to accept reality and change my mind.)

  • Stephen

    I have a couple of friends who unfortunately suffer from TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome) whom I would like to quickly share this article with but Quadrant Online pages seem to lack the share option. Please add this feature to the next update of the site.

  • lbloveday

    DT,
    So many use the term tax when they should use “income tax”. I once paid $0 income tax, examined and approved by the ATO, in a year during which I paid $500,000+ other taxes.
    .
    More than my fair share I reckon.

  • bearops

    Ian
    Your contributions of blathering bile serves no purpose other than to confirm your imperviousness to rationality. Prejudice is a poor argument.

  • Nezysquared

    Interesting that Ian Macdougall (or whatever his real name is) failed to mention China in all his incoherent ramblings. I wonder why….

  • Doubting Thomas

    Ian McD, Emma Alberici is one of the ABC’s stable of ideologs masquerading as an economics commentator. She recently amazed the business world, and amused many if not most sentient beings in the wider community, by asserting that companies with megabucks of revenue that paid no income tax were somehow unethical. She completely failed to understand that revenue does not equal taxable income. She totally destroyed her credibility as an expert, and the howls of laughter are still echoing throughout the land, adding to the ABC’s reputation as a prime source of fake news.

  • AERT DRIESSEN

    Ian MacD, when you say … “APART from his withdrawal of the US from the Paris Accord on climate, which as the science is probably right will likely have pretty big consequences for the whole planet (Precautionary Principle) … ” you tell me that you don’t understand what science is, that you don’t even understand how the “Scientific Method” preserves scientific integrity, and that you haven’t read anything about the science of climate, and that you are simply sprooking the politics of climate change. Might I add that if we all defaulted to the Precautionary Principle as our first option, we would still be living in caves.

  • Ian MacDougall

    AERT DRIESSEN:
    “Might I add that if we all defaulted to the Precautionary Principle as our first option, we would still be living in caves.”
    No we wouldn’t. Those of our ancestors of Cro-Magnon times who were fortunate enough to be able to live in a cave (most did not, as there were too few caves) would have entered assuming that it was already occupied by a cave bear or big cat. Those who did not observe that precautionary principle were probably terminated, sooner or later, and with prejudice.
    The geologist Ian Plimer has written an interesting AGW-denialist book Heaven + Earth in which he asserts that there is no precautionary principle in science. He is apparently unaware of the UNESCO statement endorsing it, which you and he can find at the link below. Possibly he, like any sensible geologist, also dons a pair of goggles before hammering into rocks, wittingly or unwittingly endorsing it that way as well. But then again, perhaps he does not, and is one by one, running out of eyes. Or perhaps he heeds advice from a chemist who does not believe in fume cupboards, or for that matter, in labelling reagent bottles, or from a physicist who believes that no protection is needed against unexpected doses of X or gamma radiation, and that anyway a good hefty dose of either or both every other day will keep not only the doctor, but also the undertaker away.
    When I last looked, there were 198 scientific organisations worldwide, including the Royal Society, the AAAS and the CSIRO which endorsed AGW. (The present owners of fossil-carbon resources are slowly and reluctantly coming round.)
    But then again, I suppose, every last one of those 198 organisations could be wrong, and so Donald Trump & Co are not spruiking garbage on the subject and are sure to be right; and while we’re at it, pigs could well take to flying and the Sun stay down, and then set tomorrow at 6:00 AM.
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    http://www.precautionaryprinciple.eu/

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