Good Men, Bad Men, Defamed Men

In his preface to The General Theory of Employment Interest and Money, John Maynard Keynes said something sensible: “It is astonishing what foolish things one can temporarily believe if one thinks too long alone, particularly in economics (along with other moral sciences).”

We should all take note. It is best to share our radical ideas with family and friends, who have our best interests at heart, before we contemplate making them more widely available. This might have prevented NSW Police Commissioner Mick Fuller from making a complete ass of himself by canvassing the use of a phone app to signal consent to sexual congress. He was quoted as saying the app might be “the worst idea I have all year.” Indeed, he would need to come up with something particularly fanciful to beat it.

I’ve said it before, but it bears repeating. There is something going on between men and women which often leads to contact of the most intimate kind imaginable. And, such contact makes the world go around. Let me add, thankfully. Such contact is overwhelmingly consensual. Wretchedly, some is not.

A couple of years’ ago my eldest daughter’s workplace was a fifteen-minute walk from her home. Her hours meant that she would have to walk home in the dark; partway through dimly lit suburban streets. Her husband used to pack their three young kids into the car to pick her up. That was not a choice; it was a necessity.

As a man, if you can help it, you should not let your womenfolk walk alone in the dark. You don’t tell them to stand on their rights and venture forth to make a point. You understand that there are bad men out there who will sexually assault women, and worse, if their evil inclinations and the opportunity coincide. That’s life and has been since the beginning and will be to the end of time.

Some practical things can be done to mitigate the problem. Better street lighting. Allowing women to arm themselves. More police on the streets, any police at all walking a beat would be good; perhaps heavier penalties for those convicted.

What shouldn’t be done is to throw away the presumption of innocence and the need to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt. What can’t be done, unfortunately, is to remove the proclivity among some bad men to sexually assault women. Lecture good men all you like.

The Ten Commandments provide a pretty good guide to how we should live. Jesus put the way we should treat one another into one sentence. Love you neighbour as yourself. So far as I know, despite these admonishments, thieving and murder still go on. Bad men (and women, albeit in fewer numbers) continue to do dirty deeds.

Marches calling on someone – the prime minister of the day, for example — to make streets safe for women, are useless feel-good exercises. And educating men as a body to treat women with respect? Sorry, when did that stop being taught?

I believe the males of mammal species are, as a rule, disinclined to attack females. But when it comes to men, it is best that a taboo reinforces that tendency. My dad impressed upon me that men who hit women are bullies (of course, he didn’t mention sex at all, that was ‘taboo’ in our house). My all-boys schools impressed upon us boys the need to respect and protect girls. Has that all stopped?

Misogyny was much in the news when Julia Gillard was in full flow and accusing Tony Abbott of exhibiting all manner of sexist behaviour. Didn’t she single-handedly get the definition of misogyny down from the heady heights of hating women to a man looking at his watch when a woman was talking? Something like that anyway.

When I see and listen to some of the women involved in these marches, I wonder whether the term misandry applies. There is always tension between the sexes. That’s true. However, do women resent men in a fashion which is not mirrored on the other side. That’s my impression. I could be wrong.

But whether I am right or wrong, using a grievous assault on a woman or, as recently in London, a heinous murder of a woman, as an opportunity to vent against men is not productive. Men are as outraged by such crimes as are women. Men don’t have the answer as to what can be done to prevent them. Neither do women.

We all need to remind ourselves that we as individuals, men and women, are primarily responsible for our own safety. You might think that’s unfair. That’s life in this fallen world. Let me quote William Munny (in the movie Unforgiven) when about to shoot the sheriff  ‘Little Bill’ Daggett, who has exclaimed, “I don’t deserve this.”

“Deserves got nothing to do with it,” Munny replies, pulling the trigger.

Little Bill put himself in harm’s way and suffered the consequences, however unfair.

26 thoughts on “Good Men, Bad Men, Defamed Men

  • lbloveday says:

    “Love your neighbour as yourself”. A sizable number of people despise themselves.
    Then we have “And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive them that trespass against us”. A sizable number of people never forgive; in most cases I don’t, but nor do I ask for forgiveness for something I’ve deliberately done.
    Thanks for the reminder about “Unforgiven”, I’ve pulled it out to re-watch when I finish “Randy Rides Alone”.

  • DougD says:

    “When I see and listen to some of the women involved in these marches, I wonder whether the term misandry applies.” Perhaps. But maybe the marches are being used by some women to promote their personal political ambitions.

  • melb says:

    “Allowing women to arm themselves.”

    “Resistance with a gun decreased the odds of robbery and rape completion by 93 percent and 91 percent, respectively.” https://thefederalist.com/2018/02/27/americans-right-guns-even-makes-us-less-safe/

    The homicide rate in the U.S. States of Vermont and Maine in 2014 was 1.6 per 100,000. The rate for New Hampshire was only 0.9. Rates in those U.S. States in 2012 and 2013 were from 1.1 to 1.9.

    The homicide rates for 2012, 2013 and 2014 in the Northern Territory of Australia were 8.9, 9.5 and 3.7 per 100,000. The rates for South Australia were 1.6, 1.5 and 1.1. The rates for Tasmania were 1.8, 1.6 and 1.2.

    The U.S. State of Vermont is the least regulated of all the U.S. States. The State of New Hampshire has a “shall issue” law that provides that any “suitable person” must be issued a licence to carry a concealed handgun. The State of Maine allows open or concealed carriage of a handgun.

  • Doubting Thomas says:

    DougD, spot on. Very little of this current hysteria has anything to do with the safety of woman or about what should, or in practical terms, could be done about it. None of the women in my family circle believe that their undoubted right to walk safely through the mean streets at night has any more validity than their right to get, unarmed, into a small stockyard with a Jersey bull. There are some things that sensible people don’t do.

    This current nonsense is all about politics and nothing else, and the sheer cynicism and hypocrisy of the ALP and its ABC and other left-wing media claque is beyond shameful.

  • melb says:

    Sorry but I omitted this link regarding the homicide rate comparison.

  • Harry Lee says:

    Must re-culture White males,
    Use funds taken from current budgets allocated to the ABC, SBS, university humanities-arts faculties, and community grants now freely given to non-Western and anti-Westernist groups whose cultures must be subsidised by White Australian nett taxpayers.

  • Michael says:

    We must not throw away the presumption of innocence and the need to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt. Especially for a crime punishably by a serious gaol term. Germaine Greer in her 2018 essay “On Rape” suggested that “There is an alternative to criminal prosecution and that is to bring a civil action for damages against the perpetrator”. She explains that in this case, the victim does not become a piece of evidence in the state taking criminal proceedings against the alleged rapist, but rather is a plaintiff seeking redress and damages from the alleged perpetrator, can allege partial responsibility on the part of third parties such as the owners of premises, and the standard of proof is lower. The downside, she notes, is the legal costs for the plaintiff, which to some extent would be solved by an award of costs against a guilty defendant, but this cannot be guaranteed.

  • Harry Lee says:

    I have been helped many times during my long life by Christians and Jews -for which I am most grateful.
    Christianity and Judaism have been great forces for Good on Earth, nett nett.
    But there have been many developments in human affairs since the ancient Hebrews developed the Ten Commandments and even since the Gospels were compiled.
    Let us be up-to-date in how men and women are enculturated.
    How to do that under the dictates and conflicts imposed by multiculturalism is a Big Problem.
    NB: Multiculturalism is a cover for anti-White-ism.

  • Harry Lee says:

    It’s the Left -the neo-marxist, post-modernist Left- that has gutted the system of punishment for violent crime.
    It’s the Left that has insisted on bringing in immigrants/refugees of anti-Westernist types whose cultures enslave females and whose young males are extremely violent.
    It’s the Left that has empowered power-lusting feminist men-haters who demonise White men at every turn.
    It’s the Left that insists that females should not comport themselves in safe ways and insists that females should go to dangerous precincts without taking wise precautions.
    The Left:
    The ALP, the Greens, the ABC, SBS, and 80% of the mainstream media, and 80% of the public services, and most of the law industry.
    To demonise White males while transferring massive amounts of cash to, and permitting violence in, non-White communities, and while promoting/celebrating power-lusting feminists and non-Whites on the basis of Identity not Competence-
    -This marxist-inspired Idiocy means the End of a Peaceful and Productive Social Order.

  • Rebekah Meredith says:

    Harry Lee–biblical principles do not come from man; they come from God. Otherwise, the entire Bible is nothing but a lie, and worth less than a fairy tale.
    The Bible does not address every problem that will ever arise; its principles are given to be applied to those problems–whether in Roman days, the Dark Ages (there were true Christians then, even though they risked their lives by reading the Bible), or today.
    And can you tell us of anything better than the Bible?
    “Forever, O Lord, Thy Word is settled in heaven.” Psalm 119:160

  • Harry Lee says:

    Rebekah Meredith, thank you for your comment.
    I regard the Bible, both Testaments, as Divinely-inspired.
    And I also regard God as continuing to create -God did not halt creating all those years ago.
    This necessarily means that new, more complex, more ambiguous, more conflictful circumstances are always arising for human beings to deal with.
    And what I see is that few people who hold the Bible as Divinely-inspired have learned/developed/established/maintained their capacities to Communicate with God/Walk with God whereby they would be equipped to learn God’s Will, and to express it in their daily, secular lives.
    And this condition also pertains to people the world over -people who are born into non-Chrisitan/non-Judaic cultures.
    Most of those non-Chrisitan/non-Judaic cultures/religions have their own inflections/versions of Divinely-inspired scripture and the idea of God’s Will.
    And many/most remain anchored in a state-of-affairs that have long since ceased to be, given God’s on-going creativity.
    I am all for expressing God’s Will, and I take it to be an on-going, life-long task to discover what it is, and to develop my courage to manifest it.
    All best, Harry.

  • Stephen Due says:

    Strangely, the Woke, who are complaining so vociferously about men behaving badly, are also the very people who believe in social and moral evolution. For example, abortion and euthanasia used to be considered immoral (Hippocrates, 400 BC) but to us, they are not only good, but a right. The only fly in the ointment is those nasty men, who lurk in dark laneways, and Parliament House.
    I think the Woke need to wake up. If you saturation-bomb children and young adults, via the mass media, with limitless material promoting sexual immorality and glorified violence, you have only yourselves to blame for the result. You have worked hard to dismantle the moral framework on which your society once rested. The inevitable outcome is what you are complaining about.
    Homework: Read Romans 1, noting especially the last 10 verses.

  • Harry Lee says:

    Julia Gillard?
    The affirmative action PM?
    More useless when not destructive than Rudd and Keating combined?
    Oh yes, Julia Gillard eh.

  • J. Vernau says:

    “And educating men as a body to treat women with respect? Sorry, when did that stop being taught?” —Mr Smith.
    There would be very few men who don’t feel profound respect for a pregnant woman, or a mother with a child, over and above that felt for all humanity. This special respect tended to be extended to women in general, as potential or would-be mothers and members of the weaker sex. Now that many women choose not to procreate the situation is a little different.

    It seems odd to me that anyone should demand to be respected. A first step toward being genuinely respected might be to realise that this is more likely if one is respectable.

  • Alice Thermopolis says:

    JV: “It seems odd to me that anyone should demand to be respected. A first step toward being genuinely respected might be to realise that this is more likely if one is respectable.”

    Agreed. It seems odd to me that a person can enter Parliament House after midnight, become involved in a shocking incident, leave the building at 10am that morning, apparently without reporting what happened to either security or the police, then demand to be respected, while blaming the PM for an “unsafe” workplace.

  • lhackett01 says:

    As has been the case in the past and is very much the case in many societies today, women must act with modesty and care if they want to be respected and avoid unwanted sexual advances.

    The majority of women know about this need for modesty. Those who rant and rage in the belief they can dress and act without care do not. It is they who should change.

  • Rebekah Meredith says:

    I have a cousin who lives in the Middle East, where she and her husband are missionaries. They are in one of the more open Moslem countries, where women’s lives are not entirely regimented. However, if my cousin wants to avoid the reputation of a woman with low morals, she cannot go ANYWHERE on her own–even to the market on the ground floor of their apartment building. When she and her husband are in public, she keeps her eyes down constantly because it is hard for her to know when it is acceptable for her to make eye contact and when it is not.
    We have some very good family friends who have four boys, aged 11-19. When we are with them, we fairly often hear their mother say, “Boys, look this way.” They all turn their heads to avoid (if they can) seeing some female who is exercising her right to dress as she likes.
    Which situation is more heartbreaking?
    And then some female could one day accuse one of these boys of doing something to her, and who would be believed?

  • Harry Lee says:

    Time to launch a new political party:
    The Heterosexual Party.
    This party is to be devoted to all matters heterosexual.
    Esp proper marriage and how to sustain a marriage, and the effective parenting of girls and boys.
    No, the Heterosexual Party would not speak against homosexuality or the emergent new genders.
    It would simply seek to allocate appropriate resources and provide proportional public support for heterosexual nuclear families.

  • Elizabeth Beare says:

    I don’t think it is currently legal for women to carry either Mace (pepper spray) or loud alarms when they are out and about in more isolated places. This seems to me to be wrong. We need to be able to protect ourselves if attacked; and of course also to avoid situations in which we may easily be attacked. Most women fear the anonymous unwanted and brutal attack, and quite rightly. It is also fairly rare, because societies put strong sanctions on men against making such criminal acts. And most men are decent, have a sense of morality concerning women and violence, ask nicely before they approach the cakes and would never just grab any they see, no matter how much they really wanted a cake. You get my drift; most men are OK and we get to know quickly those we feel we can trust. This is what civilisation is about; constraining the barbarian in men and the harpy in women. Currently, young people are set adrift into a morass of unclear situations that deliver to both sexes mixed messages. The culture used to be firmer about the do’s and don’ts than it is now. Thus I am not against teaching in schools some basic cultural rules for normal civilised behaviour with regard to the bodies of others. Experimentation alone will not do, because there is hurt for some, mostly men but also women, along that pathway. The loss of control due to drug and alcohol use should also be discussed with teenagers in class and in the media and shown in various media teens use as well. No-one wants a prissy and fearful load of uninteresting teens, but a median way could be sought. Many young women seem to have lost self-respect. That comes first, even before demanding respect from young men. Women have always set the tone of encounters and they must rediscover how to do that.

  • Rebekah Meredith says:

    Mrs. Beare–oh, no, you’re all wrong. You’re blaming the victim! Don’t you realise that the onus is entirely on men? WOMEN have nothing to do with it! That’s because we’re empowered, and the equal of men in everything.

  • Harry Lee says:

    1. Proper training in these matters for teenagers, and then refreshers for all ages, for all genders, creeds, colours…
    2. Proper severe punishments for violence and other aggression -for all creeds, colors, genders.
    Sure, in our multicultural regime, which is set up to protect and appease anti-Westernists, this will be hard.
    But the wages of multiculturalism are inevitable:
    Hell to pay.
    With Whites to pay the greatest and disproportional share of the costs, and esp White men.
    Way it is, in La-La Land.
    The Wasteland/La La Land designed for us by the evil marxist people in our midst, and as accepted and embraced by the majority of Australians.
    That’s right:
    It’d be different if more Ordinary People could be bothered to get active as proper citizens, instead of consuming whatever it is they are consuming, and complaining occasionally about how Bad everything is.

  • lhackett01 says:

    An unaccompanied woman joining a gathering that included men would expect some men to approach her. Indeed, most women would hope so. They would be devastated to be seen and treated as a ‘wall-flower’, as undesirable. Men and woman would expect such approaches to be towards establishing a friendly relationship that might or might not involve sex. Mutual respect would be the norm.
    However, if a woman acts in a way that is provocative, disrespectful, sexually explicit, or otherwise places her in a situation of vulnerability then she can expect advances from men that she may or may not want. Women who disport themselves in dress or behaviour that they should know will excite men’s sexual drive can expect sexual responses. Prostitutes know this well. Women who drink to excess are deliberately making themselves vulnerable.

  • lhackett01 says:

    The reality is that until today, a man could ‘ogle’ a women, ‘wolf-whistle’ her, speak suggestively to her, and touch her with the obvious understanding that he was interested in her. How she responded told the man whether to continue his approaches or not. A woman behaving in a sexually provocative manner, including how she dresses, is to invite a sexual response. When a woman, or girl, behaves so with or without overt intent, or because she is naïve, or because she is a sex tease, or because the parents of small girls have acted to sexualize them, the result is the same. Males will respond sexually to a greater or lesser extent.

  • whitelaughter says:

    Melb, have a look again at your figures, and ask yourself: how much of the difference is just between Republican and Democrat states? The Dems have repeatedly proven their incompetence, especially in policing.

    – meanwhile, on women’s safety, it’s long past time we realised that the bulk of protestors are reciting the lies they were taught while being groomed to be victims by actual rapists. They insult the men who would gladly protect them because they were taught to drive protectors away; taught to isolate themselves from the defences that society has developed over the millennia.

  • bomber49 says:

    Woman engage in riskier behaviour nowadays that in the past because some fool told them to reclaim the night, but forgot to tell them how. It was just as dangerous for woman to walk unescorted 50 years ago, but at least then they were sober. The same girlfriend that holds you hair while you chunder in the Ladies in the nightclub should be the same one who sticks with you till the end of the evening.

  • robtmann7 says:

    Misandry is the mainspring of the ideology wimmins”lib” misleadingly called feminism, led by man-hating lesbians who hate the family.

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